If someone Negates your special as a defensive action can you respond by negating their negate to get your special through?
No. You can only play a defensive action against an offensive action, never against a defensive action. This is where strategy comes to play with drawing out your opponent's negate.
I thought as much, but wanted to make sure since there are special rules about Negates that differ from other specials.
Another question about negates: Can you defensively negate something that doesn't target one of your characters? What about with the Any Hero negate?
It negates any special (except those that may not be defended by a special card -- JW, or the DoW), it's a very critical part of the game too. If your opponent wants to Draw 3 cards, you can negate it outright. That's where the strategy comes in; if you're playing against a negate deck, you'd want to force out the negate before you play the Draw 3 and hope he doesn't have another.
Thought so, just wanted to be sure. But in the case of directly being attacked by a special, only the character being attacked can use a negate on the special, correct?
Quote from: metaphist on April 20, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
Thought so, just wanted to be sure. But in the case of directly being attacked by a special, only the character being attacked can use a negate on the special, correct?
Nope, anyone can negate it. Unless it's a limited negate such as Longshot's, which says negate a special played against Longshot.
The standard negate stops any special played by the opponent, regardless of who it is used against.
-BBH
Can you negate another offensively played negate to save your special?
Yes, if your opponent is playing a negate as his offensive action, you can negate that one as your defence.
I agree w/ Jack. I haven't read all the meta rules since I was playing back in the day; however, I believe that logic to be correct.
Player 1 could negate a special card attack that hit during or in a previous battle. The only way they could do this is offensively. At that point, Player 2 could respond w/ a negate of their own.
DiceK
Quote from: DiceK on April 22, 2011, 06:26:52 AM
I agree w/ Jack. I haven't read all the meta rules since I was playing back in the day; however, I believe that logic to be correct.
Player 1 could negate a special card attack that hit during or in a previous battle. The only way they could do this is offensively. At that point, Player 2 could respond w/ a negate of their own.
DiceK
Not all that long ago I learned your opponent could remove a Special card hit from the current battle using an offensively played negate. So you are also saying you could remove a Special that is on your permanent record that same way?
Yes.
Quote from: Nostalgic on April 23, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
Yes.
Thanks! So hard to keep track of such rules. :-\
Quote from: Nate Grey on April 23, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
Not all that long ago I learned your opponent could remove a Special card hit from the current battle using an offensively played negate. So you are also saying you could remove a Special that is on your permanent record that same way?
Unless it is Morbius's negate. :P
Quote from: Palatinus on April 24, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Nate Grey on April 23, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
Not all that long ago I learned your opponent could remove a Special card hit from the current battle using an offensively played negate. So you are also saying you could remove a Special that is on your permanent record that same way?
Unless it is Morbius's negate. :P
Wow, removing hits with a Negate is news to me. I see more and more why they are so valuable. But now that I look at it, Morbius's Negate is one of those cards you can reverse engineer a rule from whether or not it's explicitly stated.
I know, right? Learning lots of new things in these forums.
Quote from: metaphist on April 27, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: Palatinus on April 24, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Nate Grey on April 23, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
Not all that long ago I learned your opponent could remove a Special card hit from the current battle using an offensively played negate. So you are also saying you could remove a Special that is on your permanent record that same way?
Unless it is Morbius's negate. :P
Wow, removing hits with a Negate is news to me. I see more and more why they are so valuable. But now that I look at it, Morbius's Negate is one of those cards you can reverse engineer a rule from whether or not it's explicitly stated.
Funny thing with morbius with his 'restricted' negate is they gave him 2 other cards, a 'remove one hit' and a 'aoid 1 numerical attack', to do what a unrestricted negate could have done in the first place. :D I guess it adds t his...'uniqueness'.
Morbius has the same problem a lot of early characters have where they didn't know what was going to make a character too powerful or too weak. I do think they did a better job of making him themed though. I like the idea of more characters with a larger variety of negates too. The straight up negate, the personal negate, the morbius negate, and then maybe they could have come up with a couple of others. Maybe a teammate negate and an only on your turn negate.
Quote from: Palatinus on April 28, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Morbius has the same problem a lot of early characters have where they didn't know what was going to make a character too powerful or too weak. I do think they did a better job of making him themed though. I like the idea of more characters with a larger variety of negates too. The straight up negate, the personal negate, the morbius negate, and then maybe they could have come up with a couple of others. Maybe a teammate negate and an only on your turn negate.
True.
Also, in a lot of ways, I think Morbius' negate is more useful than the personal negates.
Quote from: ncannelora on April 28, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Palatinus on April 28, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Morbius has the same problem a lot of early characters have where they didn't know what was going to make a character too powerful or too weak. I do think they did a better job of making him themed though. I like the idea of more characters with a larger variety of negates too. The straight up negate, the personal negate, the morbius negate, and then maybe they could have come up with a couple of others. Maybe a teammate negate and an only on your turn negate.
True.
Also, in a lot of ways, I think Morbius' negate is more useful than the personal negates.
Yeah, Morbius' negate became a lot more useful as more and more non-numerical specials became prevalent.
I think a Morbius style negate would be a good option for some 8 Stat characters. That way you can have someone like Dr. Doom with a negate, but it's not a FULL negate. Though, in my humble opinion, I would argue that Doom warrants a full negate.... but you catch my drift.
-BBH
Yeah. I vote we change Time Machine from an AJ to an AO for Doctor Doom! lol
(http://www.overpower.ca/cards/specials/860.jpg)
i somehow dont see how thats so great
Quote from: steve2275 on September 18, 2011, 03:14:26 AM
(http://www.overpower.ca/cards/specials/860.jpg)
i somehow dont see how thats so great
Basically, it negates anything that's not numerical. So, it will negate a hold (AV, FN, etc), as well as card advantage Specials (HQ, OC, BY, etc), and it will still prevent other trickeration cards, which affect Venture Total or Ventured Missions (EN, AW, etc).
Also, it's just nice because it's another person with a negate, who does not get much play time, otherwise. I agree with BBH, it'd be nice if Dr.Doom had this kind of negate. He's a max-8, so for the sake of balance, his negate should be "nerf'd" a little, maybe.
and reed as well
If Mr Fantastic had an AO, he would be the god of Overpower.
Quote from: a_noble_kaz on September 29, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
If Mr Fantastic had an AO, he would be the god of Overpower.
QFT
if i play a healing special
can it still be negated
Yes, any special played on an offensive turn (unless it says otherwise on the card) can be negated. That includes healing specials, Draw 3's, 'Play to Concede' cards, etc.
there goes my chances of winning
you cant negate from reserve right
Not unless your reserve can somehow get around the restrictions of being in reserve...
If you play a card like Hellfire Clubs Madelyne Pryor (may place and play any Jean Grey specials for remainder of game) and your opponent does not negate it when you play it, can they decide to negate it later? or do they have to choose to negate it when it is played?
Quote from: Jesse on March 07, 2012, 06:01:26 AM
If you play a card like Hellfire Clubs Madelyne Pryor (may place and play any Jean Grey specials for remainder of game) and your opponent does not negate it when you play it, can they decide to negate it later? or do they have to choose to negate it when it is played?
Any special with a lasting effect will stay in play to indicate that effect is active. A negate can be played offensively to negate any special in play and will remove that special and erase any effects it has.
Quote from: Palatinus on March 07, 2012, 08:57:42 AM
Any special with a lasting effect will stay in play to indicate that effect is active. A negate can be played offensively to negate any special in play and will remove that special and erase any effects it has.
Thanks!
Quote from: Jesse on March 07, 2012, 06:01:26 AM
If you play a card like Hellfire Clubs Madelyne Pryor (may place and play any Jean Grey specials for remainder of game) and your opponent does not negate it when you play it, can they decide to negate it later? or do they have to choose to negate it when it is played?
AND, this is the perfect example of negating a negate! So, if your opponent comes back later to Negate that Madelyne Pryor card, you can negate their negate :D
Quote from: a_noble_kaz on September 29, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
If Mr Fantastic had an AO, he would be the god of Overpower.
LOL! What about Beyonder? 8)
Missed this quote the first time I read through this. Gotta sig it! ;D
Quote from: metaphist on April 27, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: Palatinus on April 24, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Nate Grey on April 23, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
Not all that long ago I learned your opponent could remove a Special card hit from the current battle using an offensively played negate. So you are also saying you could remove a Special that is on your permanent record that same way?
Unless it is Morbius's negate. :P
Wow, removing hits with a Negate is news to me. I see more and more why they are so valuable. But now that I look at it, Morbius's Negate is one of those cards you can reverse engineer a rule from whether or not it's explicitly stated.
an maybe play an ally first