So, in my Who do you play in Reserve Thread I made a comment about a friend of mine, that I am getting to play the game, prefering to play with a DC Team (he likes DC more than Marvel). We are finally getting together next week to play our first match. He has been looking through what I have plus a few things online and he finally told me to just make him a team. The only requirements that he asked for was that Joker was on the team and that it was all DC if possible.
I like DC and Marvel but I use predominately Marvel based teams (with some IM/DC) so an all DC team seemed a little hard for me to balance out. Below I posted the all DC Team that I am thinking about for him as well as the Marvel team that I am thinking about for me (I am trying to avoid my preset teams i.e. Cable/Deadpool, Black King/Hellfire Club....my favorites, etc).
DC Team for him:
Front Line: Reserve:
Joker Riddler Robin The Flash
E - 4 E - 3 E - 3 E - 6
F - 5 F - 5 F - 6 F - 6
S - 3 S - 3 S - 2 S - 4
I - 7 I - 7 I - 7 I - 3
And this team for me:
Front Line: Reserve:
X-Babies Shadowcat Black Widow Cyclops
E - 5 E - 6 E - 4 E - 7
F - 5 F - 3 F - 7 F - 4
S - 4 S - 3 S - 3 S - 4
I - 1 I - 6 I - 6 I - 5
Both teams are at 73. I would appreciate any feedback on whether or not you think these teams look balanced or are in my favor or anything else.....I want this to be as fair as possible for his first match.
just based on the line ups, I'd say they look fairly balanced. The Marvel deck looks a bit stronger, but it's also going to come down to builds. DC had a problem of pretty weak defense, though, and the team you built for him won't be able to do much about some of the Marvel team's better attacks :-\
the joker is a very nice choice
also depends on what cards u have for dc too
Quote from: ncannelora on March 06, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
just based on the line ups, I'd say they look fairly balanced. The Marvel deck looks a bit stronger, but it's also going to come down to builds. DC had a problem of pretty weak defense, though, and the team you built for him won't be able to do much about some of the Marvel team's better attacks :-\
I was worried about that: especially with X-Babies and Black Widow having some good shots potentially right out the gate. :-\
Any thoughts on a varient team for me or him - or even just a character or two replacement?
Just keep in mind - I am limited on my DC stocks :-\
Quote from: Jesse on March 06, 2012, 10:28:34 AMI was worried about that: especially with X-Babies and Black Widow having some good shots potentially right out the gate. :-\
Any thoughts on a varient team for me - or even just a character or two replacement?
Well... that's a tricky thing for me to envision, honestly. I don't often think of nerfing a deck to level competition, I usually think of raising the lower-tier team. I mean, I can certainly give you a list of some of the weakest Marvel characters, to give you some ideas...
Also, are you trying to avoid giving your friend a max-8? because even just doing that would raise his team up a notch...
Quote from: ncannelora on March 06, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Jesse on March 06, 2012, 10:28:34 AMI was worried about that: especially with X-Babies and Black Widow having some good shots potentially right out the gate. :-\
Any thoughts on a varient team for me - or even just a character or two replacement?
Well... that's a tricky thing for me to envision, honestly. I don't often think of nerfing a deck to level competition, I usually think of raising the lower-tier team. I mean, I can certainly give you a list of some of the weakest Marvel characters, to give you some ideas...
Also, are you trying to avoid giving your friend a max-8? because even just doing that would raise his team up a notch...
i like luthor in that regard
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of course the hardest part is the reservist
Yeah, I'm used to just building my team - the whole "balance two sides" isnt the most fun in the world but I really dont want to demolish him the first day.
Quote from: ncannelora on March 06, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Also, are you trying to avoid giving your friend a max-8? because even just doing that would raise his team up a notch...
I didn't even think about it. I just started putting together people thst I know he likes and tried to balance from that point. I could easily add in a couple other guys for him.
Quote from: steve2275 on March 06, 2012, 10:36:50 AM
i like luthor in that regard
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Sadly I have no Luthor 8I, No Brainiac 8E, No Doomsday 8S, No The Ray 8E
I do have Azrael and Wonder Woman 8F. Of note, I do have Ra's as well - I thought about putting him in but wasn't sure if he'd be a good fit. Any thoughts on a team that consists of Joker, Ra's, Azrael and probably Flash for reserve? That'd knock on the door and hit the 76 on the head. Even sounds better.
What do you guys think?
whose specials do u like the most?
http://overpower.ca/tools/characters.php
Quote from: steve2275 on March 06, 2012, 11:08:07 AM
whose specials do u like the most?
http://overpower.ca/tools/characters.php
For my team or for the team I'm making for him?
Quote from: Jesse on March 06, 2012, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: steve2275 on March 06, 2012, 11:08:07 AM
whose specials do u like the most?
http://overpower.ca/tools/characters.php
For my team or for the team I'm making for him?
um the dc team :)
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that line up is looking better, I think.
From your side, the best way to make your team tuned-down is to build it weaker and don't worry about the roster so much. You know, maybe only include 1 negate for X-babies, or maybe only 1 teammate avoid for B.Widow and S.Cat...? I don't know exactly where to go with that :-\
give katya at least 3 avoids
or 2 for weaker
So the random marvel teamup and the new DC team look ok to face each other?
If you have Neron, I'd drop Ra's and Azrael and put Neron and Riddler back in. With Riddler's Death Trap, he'll have the most difficult to defend numeric attack in the game, Master of Misdirection could even up the field, plus Neron brings a lot of interesting tricks to the table. Ra's doesn't bring a lot, imo. The CC is nice, but not game breaking, and the Riddler still brings one to the table, where as Your Heart's Desire could be brutal. Azrael is solid, but if Joker is a must have, you'd be better off building on his strengths instead of just tossing a character with an 8 in there. At least Neron backs up the Int stat, as well as offers some nicer tricks then Ra's. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
If you have Neron, I'd drop Ra's and Azrael and put Neron and Riddler back in. With Riddler's Death Trap, he'll have the most difficult to defend numeric attack in the game, Master of Misdirection could even up the field, plus Neron brings a lot of interesting tricks to the table. Ra's doesn't bring a lot, imo. The CC is nice, but not game breaking, and the Riddler still brings one to the table, where as Your Heart's Desire could be brutal. Azrael is solid, but if Joker is a must have, you'd be better off building on his strengths instead of just tossing a character with an 8 in there. At least Neron backs up the Int stat, as well as offers some nicer tricks then Ra's. Just my 2 cents.
That's a good case for Neron. I think Joker and Ra's might be a toss up (mostly because he brings good Teamworks from his dual grid), but there's cost to consider.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
If you have Neron, I'd drop Ra's and Azrael and put Neron and Riddler back in. .
I do not have Neron :P
Thats part of what my pickle is. Build a team of DC guys that is a good contender to win, but I do not have all that many DC characters.
Off the top of my head, I have:
Joker, Riddler, Flash, Ra's, Flash, Robin, Batman, Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, azrael, Bane, Wonder Woman, Booster Gold, Comm. Gordon, Darkseid, Green Lantern, metropolis scu, two-face
^^^That little list is another reason why I am having a beaf with building him a good all DC team.
Quote from: Jesse on March 06, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
If you have Neron, I'd drop Ra's and Azrael and put Neron and Riddler back in. .
I do not have Neron :P
Thats part of what my pickle is. Build a team of DC guys that is a good contender to win, but I do not have all that many DC characters.
Off the top of my head, I have:
Joker, Riddler, Flash, Ra's, Flash, Robin, Batman, Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, azrael, Bane, Wonder Woman, Booster Gold, Comm. Gordon, Darkseid, Green Lantern, metropolis scu, two-face
^^^That little list is another reason why I am having a beaf with building him a good all DC team.
I'm not gonna lie, that's a problem :-[
I still think Riddler is a better option then Azrael then. His tricks more then make-up for a lack of 8 stat, imo. Ra's can still be a strong addition to the team bringing in the fighting teamworks. And maybe a Book of Darkhold for when Flash joins the front line.
Quote from: ncannelora on March 06, 2012, 01:56:35 PM
I'm not gonna lie, that's a problem :-[
Oh this I know! Thats why I had the first team I had then the second. When I collected back in the day DC was never picked up at my local shop so we never really got more than a pack or two (and that was from out of town trips with the family). Pretty much everything I have now, I picked up since I've gotten back into it the last few months - thats a good chunk of why I'm asking for thoughts on his team. I can throw myself together a happily little team of just about anything, but an all DC'er is a pain with what I've got......
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 01:58:55 PM
I still think Riddler is a better option then Azrael then. His tricks more then make-up for a lack of 8 stat, imo. Ra's can still be a strong addition to the team bringing in the fighting teamworks. And maybe a Book of Darkhold for when Flash joins the front line.
I actually just setup a trade for the Book of Darkhold for just this occassion! I see your point about the Riddler as well. I wondered a little about Azrael possibly being a light weight (in regards to this team).....
Az does have the 10F and he also brings The System which is nice, but your power pack is gonna be all over the place, and with just about any 2 characters dead, you'll start discarding unsuables like crazy. If Joker and Ra's go down, you'll be throwing away all of your Int PC's that are in the deck for them, as Az and Flash don't have the brainpower to push more then a 3 each, which is way more detrimental if you tried to take advantage of Joker's only strong stat (which I think you would since he was the only requested mandatory character.) Having Riddler in there with Ra's to back up the 7I makes for a much more stable board, and more characters who can Book on Flash, instead of hoping you still have Ra's and/or Joker alive when it hits your hand.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Az does have the 10F and he also brings The System which is nice, but your power pack is gonna be all over the place, and with just about any 2 characters dead, you'll start discarding unsuables like crazy. If Joker and Ra's go down, you'll be throwing away all of your Int PC's that are in the deck for them, as Az and Flash don't have the brainpower to push more then a 3 each, which is way more detrimental if you tried to take advantage of Joker's only strong stat (which I think you would since he was the only requested mandatory character.) Having Riddler in there with Ra's to back up the 7I makes for a much more stable board, and more characters who can Book on Flash, instead of hoping you still have Ra's and/or Joker alive when it hits your hand.
Having a pack all over the place was my original fear when I made the first set: Joker, Riddler, Robin, Flash.
What do you guys think about
Joker, Flash, Riddler and/or Robin/Ra's
Both Robin and Ra's bring some nice tricks to the team. The Flash is an awesome reserve because you can Reap the Whirlwind, which is a nice ability, from reserve, however if you want to bolster your Power Pack, I would just run without Flash and toss one of the other characters into reserve. Riddler is almost too good to hide in back, cause he has so many tricks you'll want to take advantage of. Robin has less of awesome specials, but still more then 1 really good one, bringing Quick Thinking, Insignia Dart and Surfing the Net. Joker has some nice tricks too. Keys is a great personal avoid, but only if he's the target, he also has an AC for that. Joker Venom and High Voltage Joybuzzer are fun to play and could really mess a character or two, and Acid-Spray Flower could help remove placed cards, either by forcing a defense or hitting and killing the one you like the least. Ra's brings his AA, Lazurus Pit, Talia Megalomanic (though this one is way less useful since it only hinders incomming intellect power cards,) The Demon's Head (which is rough to give up another card for a solo +1,) and the Clench. Of those it would be really easy to keep him in reserve with The Clench, a 7F teamwork and he backs-up whomever dies in the front with his stats.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Both Robin and Ra's bring some nice tricks to the team. The Flash is an awesome reserve because you can Reap the Whirlwind, which is a nice ability, from reserve, however if you want to bolster your Power Pack, I would just run without Flash and toss one of the other characters into reserve. Riddler is almost too good to hide in back, cause he has so many tricks you'll want to take advantage of. Robin has less of awesome specials, but still more then 1 really good one, bringing Quick Thinking, Insignia Dart and Surfing the Net. Joker has some nice tricks too. Keys is a great personal avoid, but only if he's the target, he also has an AC for that. Joker Venom and High Voltage Joybuzzer are fun to play and could really mess a character or two, and Acid-Spray Flower could help remove placed cards, either by forcing a defense or hitting and killing the one you like the least. Ra's brings his AA, Lazurus Pit, Talia Megalomanic (though this one is way less useful since it only hinders incomming intellect power cards,) The Demon's Head (which is rough to give up another card for a solo +1,) and the Clench. Of those it would be really easy to keep him in reserve with The Clench, a 7F teamwork and he backs-up whomever dies in the front with his stats.
I think I like the sound of that. In all honesty the only reason I even had the Flash in was because of his inherent. I wanted to give him something useful out of his reserve out the gate -even if he may/may not need it.
You know, if I go with that, this will have been one long back and forth to basically sub Ra's in for the Flash ;D
lol It is what it is. :-D
The more I think about it, the more I like the look of this team:
Joker, Riddler, Bane, Ra's (R)
Certainly, you could keep Robin in, over Bane, but putting Bane in definitely gives the team a theme. In terms of usable cards, he still keeps the 6F Teamwork up front, as well as bringing a new one. He also brings a brutal lv.9 attack, and a very useful 2S make 2 additional attacks. Also, his AY can be helpful if you get it and place it early. Remember, having it placed means you wouldn't have to discard a lv.7F Power card, or a lv.7F Teamwork card, should you draw them before Ra's is up, which is a nice boon.
This is me guessing that if your friend likes Joker enough to make him mandatory, he probably likes Bane more than Robin... ???
Quote from: ncannelora on March 06, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
This is me guessing that if your friend likes Joker enough to make him mandatory, he probably likes Bane more than Robin... ???
Pretty safe guess. Whenever we used to play HeroClix he was almost always a Batman Enemies theme team..........
I may have to toy with that. Either way I think its starting to at least feel better as a unit than what I started with.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 03:19:19 PM
lol It is what it is. :-D
Yeah I guess even to make 1 or 2 little changes that was the purpose of my post ;D
I appreciate all the thoughts guys. If you get any other ideas feel free to throw them out there.
Sadly I didn't even think of Bane. He would make a nice addition here and a much more solid theme. Agree with Ncann. Good eye, boss. Penguin brings a CW and an 11Int to the table, but you are right about Bane fronting Ra's.
Quote from: Demacus on March 06, 2012, 03:49:20 PM
Sadly I didn't even think of Bane. He would make a nice addition here and a much more solid theme. Agree with Ncann. Good eye, boss. Penguin brings a CW and an 11Int to the table, but you are right about Bane fronting Ra's.
Yeah, when I first thought about Bane I was thinking stats: 6-6-6-1 and I thought a 1 Intellect was no good for this teamup with Joker. After Ncann posted to use him I looked him up and realized that I was a complete moron that didnt check my facts or my dyslexic thought since he is really 1-6-6-6 ::) 'oops' .....and a nice little fit....... "Sheesh"