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I was always under the impression that White Queen's Telepathic Manipulator could be played defensively.  According to the wiki it is not.  Can I get an official Canadian tournament ruling?

Wiki.

Quote from: Jack on January 12, 2013, 12:03:08 PM
Wiki.

I always believed this card could be played either offensively or defensively.  At what point did this change?

well
its an attack for one thing
considering it forces a character to lose placed cards and move into reserve thus making them unable to attack
good to play after her http://overpower.ca/cards/specials/1493.png

Quote from: steve2275 on January 12, 2013, 01:50:40 PM
its an attack for one thing

It can be an attack, yes; however, just as Trick Transport (DZ), it can be used on a teammate.  Trick Transport used to be played defensively, and unless I'm mistaken, (DZ) became an offensive-only card due to an errata rule by the OP Legion.  (Similar to Vertigo being errata'd to Offensive-Only) 

I do not recall Telepathic Manipulator having an errata ruling established limiting it's ability to be played defensively. 

I didn't check the actual Tournament Guide on this, which states:

QuoteIA (both) - When played offensively, target character must discard all placed cards and move into reserve, regardless of if there already is a character in reserve. Target character may still play cards that normally can be played from reserve. When played defensively, target character may only be character playing the Special or a teammate of the character and still must discard all placed cards and move into reserve. Additionally, any attacks that targeted the character are avoided unless they could have targeted the character while in reserve. If more than one character is in reserve, the player chooses which one to move back up to the front line at the end of the current battle. If conditions dictate, both characters must advance to the front line.

There was some editorial work done on the description which removed the line about playing defensively.

On the meta rules, it was stated to be only offensive -- which is why it was removed. I can't see why it would be limited to offensive only. Unless BBH has something to say, I'm going to correct the wiki entry and make the card offensive and defensive.

On a personal note, my preferred method of dealing with DZ/LN would be to make them like HQ and blanket them as OPD but allow them to be played defensively. White Queen's IA is already OPD and fits the criteria. But then there's Dazzler's IA which makes it a mess.

I'm glad you found that definition Jack.  It is in line with what I recall from playing, back in the day.  I would definitely want an official ruling for the tournament coming up in Buffalo.  If I show up under the impression that I CAN play the card defensively, then am told "no, that's now how we play it..."  I will be ever so slightly disappointed.  Thanks for the help!

doesn't seem like it should be defensive to me.  the first entry from the tournament guide says 'play on your turn'.  also, the fact that it's targetted.

The proper tournament guide description was posted above. There is no 'play on your turn'.

that's interesting.  it's worded very similarly to the DZ cards, which aren't defensive though

Quote from: breadmaster on January 12, 2013, 04:22:34 PM
that's interesting.  it's worded very similarly to the DZ cards, which aren't defensive though

It's true that they were worded similarly; however, DZ was able to be played defensively and subsequently errata'd.  IA was not, thus leaving it offensive or defensive.

My guess is that IA is OPD and DZ/FA isn't.

Quote from: Jack on January 12, 2013, 05:14:49 PM
My guess is that IA is OPD and DZ/FA isn't.

Would it be treated as a OPD in a tournament?  Even the Dazzler card?

White Queen's card is already OPD. DZ/FA will stay with the errata and non-OPD. Dazzler's card has some rules attach to it.

There won't be any rule changes to make non-OPD cards into OPD. That would be stepping into the boundaries of house rules which I don't want to get into (BBH did that to LN in his rules with halcyon1234)

Quote from: Jack on January 12, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
White Queen's card is already OPD. DZ/FA will stay with the errata and non-OPD. Dazzler's card has some rules attach to it.

Where did these rules come from?