Special codes AI vs DY

[gameplan.exe]

So, I just wanted to clarify a couple of plays.

An un-targetted AI-code special can force a discard from a Battlesite, is that true? per Meta Rules 51 & 151, it seems true. Y/N?

If it is true, then are the Battlesite cards considered "on the table"? specifically, for Morph's DY... there is a Meta Rule describing "on the table", and the Battlesite isn't listed... it's just that if it can be affected by the un-targetted AI specials, then shouldn't they also be considered "on the table"?

Can anyone shed some light?

Thanks for the input, guys.

[Jack]

To make things even more confusing!

[Nostalgic]

Can anyone shed some light?

Thanks for the input, guys.

Apparently you've stumped the panel, but I'll attempt to muddle through at least a partial response. LoL!  Usually you are allowed to see cards placed during the course of a game. I think you are not allowed to see the cards under an opponent's battlesite until the activator is played. There are a number of ways you are allowed to make your opponent discard cards either placed to a character (where you CAN see them) or cards in hand/ draw pile/ or under a battlesite (where you CAN'T see the cards).  Morlocks JT or Black Cat's BY are some examples of making the opponent discard cards you can't see. I only mention the cards that can and can't be seen as that seems to be the difference with what morph can or can't mimic. (At least that's the distinction I'm trying to make in what may be a grey area.)

It seems that since the AI cards you mentioned targets the opponent it could affect the battlesite cards. Since the cards under the battlesite are not immune from discard, as illustrated by the white queen special, it seems it should be possible to force the discard.  At the same time since Morph can only mimic visible cards on the table he couldn't use the DY on cards placed to the battlesite.  If Morph could mimic any card with a little BQ help he becomes the god character.  I mean he could mimic any card still to come in your deck!   I think he renames himself Beyonder 2.0 or that Darwin character with the ability of spontaneous evoloution.  

Anyway, I'd be for allowing the AI discard location specials it as it weakens battlesites a little more, but I don't think it can if you look at it a different way.  If you view the battlesite cards as an extended "special" part of your hand or another draw pile that requires special 'activators' for you to access cards it changes everything.  That 2nd draw pile neatly explains why you have to have a unique special, White Queen's LA as opposed to an AI, to disrupt or force a discard from that unique draw pile and why morph couldn't mimic cards yet to be played from it. Anyway I'm tired now, and that's all I can come up with for the old 'college try'.  

[drdeath25]

I do NOT think an AI should be used to discard a special on a battlesite. But I have no quotes from the rules to support this. It just seems like the intent of the card. Keep in mind most AI specials were created before battlesite's even existed.

Why would a card that lets your opponent discard a card at RANDOM from their battlesite be an OPD, when a card that lets you discard any card you want from their battlesite is not a OPD?

So not only do you get to discard a card from their battlesite, which is a advantage, you ALSO get to view their entire battlesite, which is an advantage.

Screw the rules on this one, I have to go with what the intent of the card is.

And I also don't think cards that are under a battlesite are considered "placed cards". Did they get put there during the placing phase? Nope.
Post Merge: July 11, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from the Official Overpower Tournament Guide:

AI (offensive) - This special allows the player to select one of the opponent's placed cards and have it discarded immediatetly. When the card indicates the opponent must discard a placed card, then any card meeting the designated type may be selected (even one placed on the reserve character). The term "placed" implies that the Universe, Power, Ally, Tactic or Special card being targeted is assigned to a particular character. This card cannot be used to remove the effects of a Universe card from attack directed against a character. Once a universe card is used for an attack, it is no longer considered "placed", and therefore this special would have have no effect. This card is considered an attack against the targeted character and may be avoided or negated. If the card targets the opponent and not a specific character, it may not be avoided but may be negated. Cards that are 'in play' on a character are not considered placed and may not be targeted by this special. If this special is drawn in a hand where the opponent has no placed cards, it must either be placed is discarded as unplayable.


There you have it. Does anyone know if the tournament guide can be found online anywhere? I only have my physical copy, and I think this would help you alot ncann. It lists every single special code and has a paragraph for each one like the one i typed above about how the card can be played.

For some reason everyone wants to quote "meta rules", but i think every Overpower player should have a copy of the official tournament guide, it makes things so clear and simple and would answer just about every question posted so far in the 'rules' section of this forum. Just flip to the page that has the special code of the card in question, and there is your answer.

[Overtime]

There you have it. Does anyone know if the tournament guide can be found online anywhere? I only have my physical copy, and I think this would help you alot ncann. It lists every single special code and has a paragraph for each one like the one i typed above about how the card can be played.

For some reason everyone wants to quote "meta rules", but i think every Overpower player should have a copy of the official tournament guide, it makes things so clear and simple and would answer just about every question posted so far in the 'rules' section of this forum. Just flip to the page that has the special code of the card in question, and there is your answer.

Would you be willing to make a copy of the tournament guide for me?

[drdeath25]

Would you be willing to make a copy of the tournament guide for me?

Unfortunately, I don't have enough free time to type up the 48-page guide. If you have any specific questions on certain card codes, I would be willing to type that section for you.

[Jack]

There you have it. Does anyone know if the tournament guide can be found online anywhere? I only have my physical copy, and I think this would help you alot ncann. It lists every single special code and has a paragraph for each one like the one i typed above about how the card can be played.

I'm willing to scan the pages if I can get my hands on one. I think one of the guys at the meet up had it, I'll ask him to see if I can borrow it to scan.

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Isn't it also possible to use an AI (Opponent discard) against a battlesite's placed Aspect?

[rucker73]

or placed Any hero if opponent is using Team Overpower

[gameplan.exe]

That does clears it up very well, then. Thanks drdeath25.

[Nostalgic]

For some reason everyone wants to quote "meta rules", but i think every Overpower player should have a copy of the official tournament guide, it makes things so clear and simple and would answer just about every question posted so far in the 'rules' section of this forum. Just flip to the page that has the special code of the card in question, and there is your answer.

Not everyone has a copy of the offical tournament guide laying around... 

Screw the rules on this one, I have to go with what the intent of the card is.

Wow crisis averted! Glade you had that guide or we were going to have to screw the rules. 

[Jack]

I will be getting a copy of the Tournament Guide during our meet up in April and I'll have scans by the first week of May. I might have actually seen one on eBay, if I remember correctly, in mint condition. I didn't win the auction though as it went way beyond my price threshold for it ($50+).

[rucker73]

sounds great!!  Thanks Jack

[drdeath25]

I will be getting a copy of the Tournament Guide during our meet up in April and I'll have scans by the first week of May. I might have actually seen one on eBay, if I remember correctly, in mint condition. I didn't win the auction though as it went way beyond my price threshold for it ($50+).

Wow. I didnt know this thing was worth money, thats good news. Like i said, if anyone has certain questions i can type up that section for you.

[Jack]

I will be getting a copy of the Tournament Guide during our meet up in April and I'll have scans by the first week of May. I might have actually seen one on eBay, if I remember correctly, in mint condition. I didn't win the auction though as it went way beyond my price threshold for it ($50+).

Wow. I didnt know this thing was worth money, thats good news. Like i said, if anyone has certain questions i can type up that section for you.

It'll likely be a huge file, I'll try my best to shrink it down. I'll probably get it OCR and try to have a type up of it and written to a PDF file for reproduction.

[gameplan.exe]

NEW QUESTION ABOUT THE DY SPECIALS

I just wanted to clarify, if I use these to attack, they will still count toward Venture Total, Spectrum and Cumulative KO, right?