KL Specials

[Bios]

Some questions about KL specials (Opponent must immediately discard all Special cards in play that affect "the remainder of the battle" or "the remainder of the Game."):

Reading meta rule #116, I found KL also affects hits either on the current battle or in permanent record.

(116)   Specials which target cards which are "in play" target all cards which are in play that meet the requirements of the card. This includes cards which are in play next to the Character or team, cards which are in play on other Characters, and cards which have landed as hits either on the current battle or in permanent record.

Can I use KL to remove hits with lasting effects? (e.g: NG, EL, MC)

Can KL affect specials wich effects are no longer active, like a "remainder of battle" from a previous battle?

[Jack]

KL was used to remove an MC hit in the finals of our October tournament. So yes, at the very least, it can remove it if it was played in the battle.

My hunch is that it wouldn't removed a MC hit in your permanent record, solely on the fact it isn't affecting the current battle any more.

[Demacus]

I would argue that so long as one of the phrases "for remainder of game" or "for remainder of battle" appear on a card in the permanent record, the KL would remove it, regardless of if it is actually having any affect on the current battle.  Just my two cents.

[Nostalgic]

Now this is interesting. By the 'letter of the law' it would seem you could remove a hit on the permenant record that had a lasting effect in a previous battle. To me its almost like a different type of EE special. However, Jack's hunch may be right as far as the designers' intent goes. I'm cool with it either way, but from the standpoint of increasing its usefulness it would be a nice boost to allow it to affect hits on the permanent record.

[gameplan.exe]

Now this is interesting. By the 'letter of the law' it would seem you could remove a hit on the permenant record that had a lasting effect in a previous battle. To me its almost like a different type of EE special. However, Jack's hunch may be right as far as the designers' intent goes. I'm cool with it either way, but from the standpoint of increasing its usefulness it would be a nice boost to allow it to affect hits on the permanent record.

I've always read it and played it that the KL-Specials are effectively attacking any Special cards in play with the words "remainder of battle" or "remainder of game" - - as opposed to attacking the effects of those Special cards.

Since the cards on Permanent Records are still "in play" then I'd say they're absolutely removed with a KL Special.

[Jack]

I dug this up from http://www.oocities.org/timessquare/ring/8991/sp_k.htm

KL (offensive) - When this Special is played, the resolution is as follows: 1) This Special is played and put in the Dead Pile. It is only at this point that this Special may be negated. 2) Any Special card that the opponent has that is in play is immediately discarded if it contains the phrase "remainder of the Battle" or "remainder of the Game". This includes opponent's Specials: in play on one of their frontline or reserve characters; in play on an their opponent's Frontline or Reserve characters, either on their Permanent Records or Hits from Current Battle. This Special does not affect Tactic: Artifact cards, Special cards that are placed, or Event cards.

[Demacus]

So it really does remove them, even if they aren't actively effective?  Very interesting card indeed.

[breadmaster]

it is indeed.

then there's cards like hawkeye's quiver of arrows that are in effect till he is ko'd.

shame the only commonly used character with this card is x-babies.  spreading it around a bit would have really helped

dammit, i'm going to build a falcon deck!  always wanted to use him

[Demacus]

Counting The Marvels there are 6, but after X-babies I think Puppet Master or Captain Britain bring some other good tricks with them.

[Bios]

I dug this up from http://www.oocities.org/timessquare/ring/8991/sp_k.htm

KL (offensive) - When this Special is played, the resolution is as follows: 1) This Special is played and put in the Dead Pile. It is only at this point that this Special may be negated. 2) Any Special card that the opponent has that is in play is immediately discarded if it contains the phrase "remainder of the Battle" or "remainder of the Game". This includes opponent's Specials: in play on one of their frontline or reserve characters; in play on an their opponent's Frontline or Reserve characters, either on their Permanent Records or Hits from Current Battle. This Special does not affect Tactic: Artifact cards, Special cards that are placed, or Event cards.

I am totally cool with this clarification, but it seems another case in wich the special text was poorly written, just like DB or EE specials. We wouldn't need most of the meta rules if they paid more attetion on wording...

KL should read "with the phrase remainder of" instead of "that affect the remainder of", similar to KI specials.

[steve2275]

dammit, i'm going to build a falcon deck!  always wanted to use him

good luck man

[breadmaster]

thank you sir

i built it like this:

falcon, cap, superpatriot, hakeye (r)

any-heroes

it won 2/3 against an avalon deck...not a bad result at all

it's weird using basic universe again.  put in 6/7/8+3

EDIT:

also, since i went with anyheroes, i left out the KL...the reason behind building this deck! 

[BasiliskFang]

does it remove devourer of worlds?

[thetrooper27]

Yes, but not your own:)

Hey Breadmaster, you should play Falcon's KL.  Surely it will get something most of the time.

[gameplan.exe]

does it remove devourer of worlds?

that is, perhaps, it's single best use and it's primary function for lot of decks. only bummer there? can't pull it from a Battlesite once DoW is played! ARGH!!